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| Crescent |
 Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:30 am |
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Silencer
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| I am wondering why Lisa's new releases are not available on iTunes... is it such a bad idea? |
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| kc28kenneth |
| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:35 am |
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Joined: 01 Apr 2002
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| I would think its actually a very good idea. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:43 pm |
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Sanvean
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Crescent wrote: I am wondering why Lisa's new releases are not available on iTunes... is it such a bad idea?
I must say, I am gobsmacked that Lisa's new CD only appears to be available through the store, and not through emusic, itunes, amazon, etc. etc. Does she want anyone to know about it and buy it? Seems an odd marketing strategy to me...
I'm hoping ARK will be available to buy more easily! |
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| Lightfoot |
| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:37 pm |
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Amergin
Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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quote: I'm hoping ARK will be available to buy more easily!
...and not only from itunes. i'm not much of a fan of itunes. i want the cd...but, alas, we take what we get (buy what we get? :-) ) |
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| Atardecer |
| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:22 pm |
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Xavier
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
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A couple of points on this one.
Sites such as iTunes etc were considered, and are still not ruled out. Being that there is a webshop with digital downloads we would, in effect, be competing with ourselves to some degree. Also iTunes do not offer additional promotion. They advertise music on an editorial basis - although this "basis" is taken from what record labels tell them they should like. Personally i dont see any harm in releasing it on iTunes however - it is something that may happen as many people use it. I guess we would prefer people to come here than go to iTunes if theyre looking for something. There is also the issue of quality - even ITunes Plus offers only 256k mp3s i believe. We will certainly look at higher quality formats in the future. Also a general release in independent records stores is something were looking at here in Australia and elsewhere, depending on demand.
Amazon had offered an exclusive deal yet it was a very poor one at that. Artists need to be careful in dealing in amazon as there are certain parts of the contract that allow them to redistribute albums as they see fit at the end of the exclusive agreement period. This is very dangerous and can lead to the album getting out of the control of the artist and loos of rightful income. As such, their offer was rejected 
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| nightmareb4x |
| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:26 pm |
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Xavier
Joined: 26 Mar 2006
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I Love using amazon.com to download music. It is very sad to hear that Amazon has such negative stipulations in their contracts with artists. It appears their is no great way to support an artist in conjuction with record labels, digital download sites, etc.
I like the fact that downloads have made albums more affordable as a rule. I don't have to search for good deals or used CD's to get a decent price these days. Hopefully this is better in the long run for artists like Lisa.
I don't mind dealing direct with artists. I however feel that most artists are offering less for more money on their own. I feel like this whole "new era" of marketing is just taking off. I am trying to be patient as people test their strategies.
Honestly, I will probably pay the lesser cost as my pocket book is the main focus for me. There is no reason for me to pay more for the same albums or songs if I can avoid it. I will try to do what I can to support my favorite artists to the best of my ability.
Can anyone with experience comment on the sale of hard copy cd's versus iTunes, amazon.com, or other download sites regarding artist rights and compensation? I have anecdotal comparisons. No real experience marketing music this way for myself. This probably varies from contract to contract anyway, as all items are on the table during individual negotiations. |
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| currykevinlondon |
| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:21 pm |
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Amergin
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| I have up until now avoided download sites as owning a hard copy for about the same costs makes more sense. Even though most of my listening is done via portable files, I still prefer having the cd original. I also never ever pay more than GBP10 for a single cd. If I were an artist I'd rather make a 5 quid an album from Amazon etc, than nothing at all from my own website. Where do most people shop online. The big players of course. You cannot argue for artistic freedom if you then charge significantly more than the middle men. |
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| DCDLibrary |
| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:21 pm |
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An mp3 download from Lisa's site is fundamentally different than an iTunes download. (I can't speak of Amazon downloads.) CD ownership is also fundamentally different than iTunes downloads as well.
With a CD you, the owner, own the actual product AND the music on the CD/album. You have right of resale. You have right of reproduction (limited by fair use.) You have the right to play it on any device that plays CDs (of vinyl).
Lisa's mp3 downloads doesn't have (iirc) any license process that mitigates the ownership of the tracks so you own the tracks exactly like a CD. (This doesn't mean you have the right to resell them - though there is a gray area there - you may actually have the right to resell one set of the tracks as long as you delete all copies of the tracks you have. Thus the tracks really do transfer ownership. If you don't delete all copies then you still retain ownership and the sale is NOT covered by fair use and is, I think, illegal.)
iTunes, on the other hand, is leasing you the use of the tracks. You have no ownership of the tracks and iTunes could (though lord knows why the would) disable all tracks they leased to you. There is no fair use of the tracks because you don't own them. This was one of the reasons iTunes could allow limited product usage initially. Market forces have certainly changed how iTunes approaches things, but I don't think that core rights have changes. [Correct me if I wrong!] So the tracks you buy on iTunes are actually not purchases of the tracks, but payment for non-specific-time-limited leasing of the use of the files.
Zune gets a ton of crap because they made the leasing process clear. (and because form and function are not nearly as slick as Apple's) but they should be praised for making it clear you are leasing tracks not owning them.
Getting past all this though: I have always viewed the whole product as valuable - the tracks, the art, the packaging. While I DO enjoy the tracks I have downloaded off the site - and I will probably download every set of tracks only offered in electronic format - I, myself, prefer a full packaged product.
For electronic downloads I always prefer downloads that come with cover art that can be downloaded. Something to put with the CD I will burn - something that makes it "complete".
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| Nikopol |
| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:54 pm |
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Amergin
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who the fuck needs iTunes? Except people who must have the new lady gaga single  |
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| nightmareb4x |
| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:28 am |
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Xavier
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Nikopol wrote: who the fuck needs iTunes? Except people who must have the new lady gaga single
LOL
Who the fuck needs lady gaga?
I myself prefer downloading tracks these days. It took time for me to evolve from wanting that whole package. I used to obsessively pore of pictures, lyrics, liner notes, etc. I kind of miss those days.
I certainly hope to see the rights issues with downloadable music change in favor of the artists and those who legally purchase the files. |
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| Atardecer |
| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:05 pm |
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Xavier
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
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Good post Rainsford. 
LOL Nikopol  |
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