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Share "Rembetica" anyone?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:35 pm
by Invisitata
Hi all.
I have an mp3 recording of a take of the song Rembetica but I would like to know if there is anyone out there who owns a better sounding one?
Mine is not bad. I would just like it to be "studio/cd" sounding. Has it been recorded (probaby on vinyl and a b-side or something?)

Someone?
Cheers.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:16 pm
by berna.amaro
Hi! What I did was to download this video and rip the song into MP3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +rembetika
It worked for me!

Cheers,
B.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:28 pm
by DCDLibrary
Nice link, but I am getting no audio when i view it. I watched two other short videos to check if it was my system, but they played well...

any suggestions? Anyone have a different link?

(fyi - I tried to view/listen to it in Mozilla and IE.)

Best regards,

Rainsford
DCDLibrary

Re: Share "Rembetica" anyone?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:57 pm
by Invisitata
Invisitata wrote:Mine is not bad. I would just like it to be "studio/cd" sounding.


:lol:

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:40 pm
by Lightfoot
i love this song! this is the song i wanted to request to be put on the subscription cd. i have a bootleg copy from a concert--not so great quality. i have the video that i downloaded a while back but don't know how to get audio out of it. when i try to get it in an audio ripper, that video isn't a part of the list; how did you get it to mp3?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:09 pm
by oestre
No audio here, either :(

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:54 pm
by berna.amaro
It's funny but I don't get sound from it either... I ripped it to audio already a long time ago...
Wel, how can I pass on this audio version? Is there somewhere I can upload it to? If you go to soulseek, I have it online and you can download it, I guess. My username should be bernaamaro... or lisance... I'm not sure...
Let me know if you have a suggestion on where can I upload this version to...

Cheers,
B.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:02 am
by lucha libre
on the 1995 tour there were two versions lisa performed.

one was referred to just as the rembetika and the other was the greek rembetika.

just an fyi...

there was a bit of a difference on the sound and the length if memory serves correctly. been a while since i listened/watched them.

they are both live versions.

as for studio, i am not aware of one but always hopeful.

:)

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:52 pm
by Lightfoot
berna amaro,
i hate to be a whiner, but i have always had trouble of one kind or another with soul seek. possibly, you could send me the file...??? yeah? my hotmail can hold up to 1 gb so it should work...if you don't want to/can't send, i completely understand. no whiners here :D

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:29 am
by Crescent
As far as I know there is (unfortunately) no studio version of rembetika.

I think this is a song, which was written after bylar (which made it in the studio) and bolero. I wonder why there is no studio version of it...

I now recall someone tellin me it was supposed to make it on the album after Spiritchaser...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:07 am
by Lamortpeutdanser
Crescent wrote
As far as I know there is (unfortunately) no studio version of rembetika.


I discover this video in august 2006 and recorded it.And i'm pretty sure it's a studio version.But of course,it's unreleased at the moment.This version sounds good but not perfectly (problaly compression).Here is the info about the original sound of the clip:16bit,48khz,61kbps.The video file is a mp4 file.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:53 am
by christophe
as far as i can remember, i had come accross that video one day months ago and there was sound. But it didn't sound as clear as a studio recording... I had thought at the time it may have come from a radio recording...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:17 am
by Crescent
Just a side remark about the style - something I discovered on the internet as I wanted to go on vacation in Greece - sounds interesting, especially when you listen to Lisa's song:

Rembetika was established in parts of mainland Greece in the first two years of the 20th century. It made use of 2-3 derivatives of the turkish saz (a.k.a. tampoura and boulgari): The bouzouki and its smaller brothers, the tzouras and the baglamas. The saz itself is a lute but quite diferent from the archetypal arab lute, 'al oud' - meaning 'wood'. The latter was very popular in Asia Minor. Rembetika were urban blues of a quasi-criminal subculture, despised my the middle classes and suppressed by the authorities.

In 1921 the Greek army occupied Turkey at the instigation of England, France, Italy and Russia. The Ottoman empire was in a state of collapse and the Great Powers, eager to carve up the territory, let Greece know that if they were to take the coast of Asia Minor where there were two million Greeks living there from ancient times, they could expect support. (They were using Greece to do their dirty work for them since the Italians had invaded from the south and were marching North. They wanted to use the Greeks to stop them from taking the entire coast of Asia Minor.) All went well and the Greek army controlled Smyrna and the coast but then two things happened that sent events rapidly downhill. The Greek army decided to march inland and take Ankara while at the same time the French backed out of the deal. This caused the other powers to withdraw their support so as not to start another world war. The Greek army found itself in retreat from a Turkish army led by Kemal Attaturk. As they passed through towns and cities they were joined by the local Greek population who did not want to be left behind when the angry Turks swarmed into town. Thousands died and the city of Smyrna was burned.

As the army retreated back to Greece it brought with them the surviving Greek population of Asia Minor. By 1922 there were two million refugees in the country. These were Greeks who had never lived in Greece. They had come from the fertile lands of Anatolia but were now forced to live in a small mountainous country that could not support them, or in refugee settlements in Pireaus and Thessaloniki. It was in the cafes and hash dens near these settlements that what we know as Rembetika was forged from the early mainland movement with its bouzouki and the oriental tunes, rythms and singing techniques that came from Asia Minor.

Imagine yourself as a refugee. In Asia Minor you may have had a business, a nice home, money, friends, family. But in the slums of Athens all you had was whatever you could carry with you out of Turkey, and your shattered dreams. You went from being in the middle class to being underground in a foreign country that did not particularly want you. Rembetika was the music of these outcasts. The lyrics reflected their surroundings, poverty, pain, drug addiction, police oppression, prison, unrequited love, betrayal and hashish. It was the Greek urban blues.
With the change of the mix of followers from urban underclass to urban lower middle-class majority, the mature Rembetika music came out of the hash dens and the tekedes (Turkish style underground cafes) and into the taverns and nightclubs of Athens where it became very popular. Though some of the original Rembetika musicians had died before this period due to overdoses, tuberculosis and the general stress of the lifestyle, many became stars, recorded records, toured and generally did not have trouble finding work until the sixties when it gave way to newer forms of bouzouki-based music, superficially reminiscent of the Rembetika.

source: http://www.greecetravel.com/music/rembetika/

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:03 pm
by little swan
my favourite example of rembetika is Diamanda Galás singing ANOIXE ! such a beautiful song.

then again i havent listened to all that moch rembetika :wink:

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:30 pm
by Apollo
My favourite rembetiko is "Stou Thoma", originally from a movie about Rembetika, but has been played by everyone especially George Dalaras. Its a much "happier" rembetiko, than most other songs in the genre.